Mutual ancestors of Cathlene Brady

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I am back in the USA and had a very nice time in London and Portsmouth. I found many interesting facts. Here are a few: Colonel William Herbert was never a Colonel. He was a Private with the 67th Foot Regiment, and was recruited January 17th 1824 in Winchester and was discharged on May 22, 1835 in Portsmouth. His marriage and discharge papers have his signature, which are signed with an "X", which means that he could neither read nor write. A requirement for being a Colonel is that you can do both. He was born in Winchester, Hampshire on or about Feb 10, 1806 and christened at St. Peter's in Winchester, which incidentally is a Roman Catholic church. He died of dysentery on 4 October 1837 on Armoury Lane in Portsmouth and is buried at the Portsmouth Cathedral, otherwise known as St. Thomas' (Anglican). The cathedral was built in 1185, with extensive additions in the 1650s. He was 5'-6" in height, had dark hair and dark complexion and hazel eyes. He married Elizabeth Branson on 19 June 1825 at the age of 19. They married at St. Mary's (Anglican) across the harbor from Portsmouth in Alverstoke. Alverstoke and the church make a very quiet and picturesque town. There were army barracks in Gosport about 2 miles from Alverstoke, which partially explains why he got married there and not in Portsmouth. There is also another Anglican church in Gosport, closer to the barracks, but they didn't marry there. They probably would have needed permission from a commanding officer, since he was younger than 21 at the time. No information yet as to where Elizabeth Branson was from, but I now know that her father's name was William Branson and that he was a "Labourer". Elizabeth could at least read and write. The Branson name is a common Midlands name, near Leicester. The medical write up for his military discharge papers is as follows: Private William Herbert, Age 29 years 4 months, 12 days ¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý "This man, naturally of a feeble frame is at present much emaciated and debilitated from having on two occasions within the last three years suffered severely from Syphilis. He is now recovering from a consecutive affliction of the joints preceded by disease of the throat and skin. Also suffers from Hydrocile combined with some infection of the left testicle. His general health is pretty well restored but I am decidedly of opinion that he never will be an efficient soldier." " He has been 338 days in Hospital since May 1832. His disease is entirely the effect of vice and negelect. When in Hospital his conduct has been good." S. G. Blakesey Caskel Barracks May 22nd 1835 Further into the report there is a section that reports about "Character and Conduct". It says: "The Officers composing the Board, having examined the Defaulter's Book, and received parole testimony from _____Bolton, are of Opinion that he has been but an Indifferent Solider and constantly in Hospital". Wow! Widow Elizabeth Branson Herbert remarried Thomas Corder on 4 January 1843 in the very church where William Herbert is buried. Thomas Corder was listed as a Carpenter, that his father's name was Joseph Corder, and that his father was a "Whitesmith". Thomas Coder could read and write. Elizabeth & Thomas Corder both lived on Charlotte Street in Portsmouth at the time they married. I visited both Armoury Lane and Charlotte Street while I was there. Both streets were completely bombed during the war by the Luftwaffe. Armoury Lane is within the old defense walls of Portsmouth, and Charlotte Street is right off of the main shopping street in Portsmouth, (outside of the old defense walls, which were torn down in the 1880s). MaryHerbertEdgar1853 MaryHerbertEdgar1893 Mary Herbert (Grandma's maternal grandmother) and her husband, Thomas Hopkins Edgar. Mary Herbert Edgar was born c. 1833 in England. Her mother (name unknown)was married to an army officer, Colonel Herbert, (first name unknown), and was c.1835? (Mary being one of the three). She later remarried a man by the last name of Corder. Mary Herbert married Thomas Hopkins Edgar in 1853. They had four children: Frank, Thomas, Mary (Grandma Morse's mother),and Elizabeth. Mary Herbert Edgar died in 1912. Correction: I have a birth date of 25 Feb. 1826 written down for Mary Ann Herbert and death date of October 6, 1911 in NYC., but I am suspect of this because I think she must have been born more like in 1832, and there are several photos of her taken in 1912, at least as penned on photos by Grandma Morse, perhaps Grandma was mistaken. Interesting would be to go to the cemetery in Portsmouth England where Colonel Herbert is buried. At least to get his first name. Surely she didn't call him Colonel all the time! ¬Ý ¬Ý... ...information on Mary Ann Herbert Edgar, (1835-1911), reveals that her parents were William Herbert and Elizabeth Branson. Remember Colonel Herbert?¬Ý well, Colonel Herbert has a first name - William ! He is supposedly buried in Portsmouth, England, after which time his wife, Eliz. Branson, emigrated to America with her three daughters, Zibelle, Margaret and Mary. Eliz Branson Herbert met a Thomas Corder on the boat, and later had 3 more children, Lotta, Emily and Thomas Corder Jr. I will be in England the week of November 25th to Dec 2nd, and plan to go visit for one day the cemeteries in Portsmouth, and see if I can get any further information on Colonel William Herbert. Stay tuned. Mary Ann Herbert Edgar's death certificate states that she was born Feb 25th 1837 and died Oct. 11, 1911 of emphysema, asthma and senility. The stated year her birth (1837) counters what is written on her grave stone, (1835). Also mentioned is that she had been living in this country for 60 years, and that she had< been a resident of New York City for the last 5 years of her life. I believe that the 60 year figure of her being in the U.S. may be incorrect, and that she came over somewhat younger, but this can be verified as time goes on. ... The New York City Census, Ward 17, recorded 29 August 1850¬Ýprovides the following information: Thomas Corder,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý age 37, Blacksmith Elizabeth Corder,¬Ý¬Ý age 33 Elizabeth Herbert,¬Ý age 17 Mary Ann Herbert, ¬Ýage 15 Isabella Herbert,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý age 13 Emily Corder,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý age 5,¬Ý¬Ý born in New York Charlotte Corder,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý age 4,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý " Thomas Corder,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý age 3,¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý¬Ý ¬Ý" Josephine Corder,¬Ý¬Ý age 4 mos.¬Ý¬Ý " ¬Ý As you can tell, Elizabeth Branson Herbert Corder would therefore have been born in about 1816 or 1817. Unless she set a record for being Britain's youngest bride, I don't see how she could have married in 1825. The wedding documents are very legible, and clearly dated 1825. Her two signatures between the 1825 wedding ledger and the wedding documents of 1843¬Ýwhile similar,¬Ýare not exactly the same. What is the likelihood of two Wm. Herberts marrying two Eliz. Bransons at different times?The New York City Census, Ward 13, Division 2, recorded 24 July 1860 gives further information, regarding my great great Grandmother, Mary Ann Herbert, who by then was married¬Ýto Thomas Hopkins Edgar.It states that she was age 25 (therefore¬Ýassuredly born in 1835 and not '37), and that she was born in Ireland. This is noteworthy, since according¬Ýto poor William's Army discharge papers, there is a section (nearly unreadable) regarding the "Opinion of the Principal Medical Officer, at Dublin 25 June 1835..." ¬Ý Dublin? Would there have been a Caskel Barracks in Dublin where the 67th Regiment was then stationed? Then it is possible that the three sisters could have all been born there, which is why no information existed regarding their christenings in Portsmouth. I believe that we have the right William Herbert, since if he died in 1837, there were no more children born after that time. Perhaps Wm. Herbert and Elizabeth Branson married in Dublin? But who were Wm Herbert and Eliz Branson being married in 1825? ¬Ý
ThomasHopkinsEdgar1893	John Moulton1858ca		MrsUmplebeeMoulton-ca1870
Thomas Hopkins Edgar was probably born in New York, at least that is where he worked when he met Mary Herbert. Edgar is a Scottish name, and Hopkins must be a family name as well. Someone can research that line when they have the time. Thomas Hopkins Edgar died in 1898. Correction:Thomas Hopkins Edgar: (Grandma Morse's grandfather). He did not die in 1898, for he was very much alive in 1903 for his 50th wedding anniversary,(May 13th 1853 he was married to Mary Ann Herbert). There is a date that he was born on October 28, 1829, but I am not sure that this date belongs to him, for a death date was written down as July 9, 1898. Could have been his brother's dates. (Don't know his brother's name though'). His brother had a daughter named Mamie Edgar. Thos. Edgar also had two sisters. One named Belle Edgar, the other Margaret, who married a fellow w/ last name of Baker. She had a daughter named Lila and lived on Cape Cod. P.S. The maiden name of Thos Edgar's mother was indeed Hopkins, but no first name that I can find....Did you know that Thomas Hopkins Edgar, (1829-1913), (Grandma Morse's grandfather), was from Canada? Who knew?	John Moulton, the father of Wm.Moulton, who died in 1866. He was born in Northern Ireland,(c.1825?) orphaned young, and sent to America with his brother.The photo of John Moulton ca.1858: His brother's name was James, and he (John) died on 16 April 1866 and is buried at 1291 Evergreen Hedge, Evergreen Cemetery in Brooklyn. Perhaps James is buried there too, and someone (me?) can go there someday and dig up (no pun) some more info, dates, etc. ...John Moulton, the uncle of Grandma Morse's father, died on March 12, 1911, age 54, the result of pneumonia and pulmonary edema from acute alcohol poisoning. Poor fellow. His profession was listed as "Bartender". His marital status was listed as "Single". Did you know that Grandma's brother Bert was also a Bartender? Interesting.¬Ý... great great Grampa James Moulton (1831-1866), who died of TB, was a Printer and a "Compositer" with a newspaper...the 1850s version of a Graphic Designer. Gareth has that gene then....One interesting piece of information has to do with James Moulton, who died in 1866 of TB at the age of 36. Remember he would be the grandfather of Edgar Moulton, Frances Moulton Morse et al. He was married to Elizabeth Umpleby (1837-1912). The family story goes that he came over from Northern Ireland during the Potato famine (sometime between 1846-1849), with one or two of his orphaned brothers. This apparently is not correct. His death certificate states that he was born in Albany, NY ! That would be a long way from Northern Ireland, but at least a more convenient location to do some further research. His death certificate did not state who his parents were.		The next bit of info. regards James Moulton's wife, Elizabeth Umpleby. She was born in the U.S. (not specified where) on April 19th 1837 and died Feb. 12, 1912, age 74, 10 months. In addition to death due to Chronic Endocarditis, she had arterial sclerosis and chronic nephritis. She probably didn't feel very well. Her death certificate states that she was a resident of New York for 65 years, that the name and birthplace of her father is unknown, but that her mother's name was Margaret Umpleby (although written as Umbleby on the death certificate), and her birthplace, (Margaret's) is unknown. I¬Ý have records from the 1850 Federal Census (recorded August 3, 1850), and there is a Margaret Umpleby, age 40, listed with 9 children (no husband), and a daughter Elizabeth as the second eldest child of the nine. There is a discrepancy with this record however, as Elizabeth's age is listed as 16, when she would have been 13 at the time. It says that Margaret was born in New York and that all of the children were born in Pennsylvania. The names of the children and their ages is as follows: Sophia 18, Elizabeth 16, John 14, Joseph 13, James 11, William 9, Frederick 7, George 5, and Mary 1.¬Ý While Elizabeth Moulton died at the Home for the Aged at 512 East 89th St. Manhattan, her residence was on Maujer Street in Brooklyn. The map shows it to be in an area above Bedford Stuyvesant.
3/1/03 Just received a death certificate from the Maryland State Archives of Thomas Hopkins Edgar, (1829-1913), Grandma's grandfather, who died in Baltimore at his son's house, (Thomas Stanley Edgar), at 742 Roland Ave. Do you know where 742 Roland Ave would be? Thomas H. Edgar was born in Quebec, (who knew?). His father's name was John Edgar and he was born in England. Thomas H's mother was named Doris Keane, and was born in Ireland. I would suspect that John & Doris emigrated separately to Canada and met and married there. (Montreal?). Thomas H. had moved to NYC by 1850, as he is listed on the census there at that time. I wonder if his parents went to NYC as well. I know that Thomas H. lived not far from the Five Corners, as gloriously depicted in Gangs of New York,(with all of its gratuitous violence), and that he was an Umbrella Maker, and that he had a Thomas Stanley living with he and his wife and 2 children in 1860, according to the census report. ¬Ý	PETER MORSE	SOPHIA MORSE	FrankEdgar-b1856
	Peter Morse, (our Dads' grandfather), died on March 3, 1929 at the Ward 1 Cancer Institute in Manhattan. He was 68. He had cancer of the tongue, probable smoker. No should do. His profession was listed as "Porter". His mother's name was Hannah Kilne. (Remember the photo of a woman feeding a gaggle of chickens that I sent you once. That's Hannah.) She was born in New York, as was his father, Martin. Peter lived at 1118 Havemeyer St. in the Bronx and is buried at St. Peter's Episcopal Church in Westchester Village.
MaryEdgarMoulton	William Moulton 1875	Frances Moulton 1894	Frances and Ruth Moultonj
The portrait of Nana was made into a post card format. Nana was born 8 August 1858 and died at 3 Johnson Place, Ardsley NY, 31 January 1949.	Wm. Moulton (b.Dec 1, 1854-d.1922)(Grandma's father)	Grandma Morse (1888-1975) shown here at age 5.	¬Ýa photo taken c.1896 in Brooklyn with her sister Ruth Moulton Downs Ernst Hicks (or was it Hicks then Ernst)? Ruth lived from 1892-1972.
Ruth-Frances&Mary Moulton-1907	FrancesMoultonMorse1902	Edgar50thWedAnniv-1903	FrancesMoultonMorse1905
			The 1905 portrait is her graduation picture from Morris High School in the Bronx.¬Ý
4Generations-1911	FranKEdgar-b1872	FrancesMoultonMorse1906 ¬Ý	WmMoulton&friends-NY-1909
		The 1906 snapshot was probably taken in New York
KappaEpsilonSigmaSorority-1912	HannahMaus-b1840(photo1922inNY)	FrancesMoulton&RobtMorse-1913	rjtrain
	I made a fantastic discovery this weekend: A photo of Robert Morse's GRANDMOTHER, i.e.: our grandfather's grandmother. It was taken in 1922, and was penned on the back that she was 70 in 1910. Her name was Hannah Maus. Her husband was Christian Maus, and both were born in New York, so it must have been their parents who would have come over from Germany before 1840.

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